We interrupt the regularly scheduled phogramming with a purge of disgust—
The other day I was clicking links and when one click led to another, and another, I was taken to a discussion on homeschooling and children, which then led me to another discussion. Actually, where I was led to really wasn't a discussion per se, but a series of web sites upon which the teachings and materials of Debi Pearl's 'To train up a Child' are not only being advocated but defended - in the name of Jesus, no less.
(You can read this post in its entirity here)
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Listen hun, don't let those right-winged, moral ass-hats take over any place in your heart. I'm Christian, and even *I* am appalled at their behavior.
"Pray for her" they say. "I feel so bad for her, to know, at 5, she didn't want kids", they spout. "she must be a really lonely person" they bemuse.
What they don't realize is that you are probably the most happy, well-adjusted and least lonely person in the world. People like you usually are.
I can't say they are jealous of you because I don't think it is jealousy. But it is righteous indignation that they fight with--they think they've "won" when all they've recieved as their prize is nothing but ridicule and copious amounts of laughing behind their back.
They are not worth it. I've learned that not all Christians behave like this. Oh and don't bother going there again, they honestly will not care what you say because they truly do not see a problem.
Curse on, young lady and enjoy life!!! I **am** jealous--even if I do love my two kids (but I don't have my head up my ass to not be able to admit I am jealous)..
~~ToniCW
*sigh*
I have read enough of your post here and your comments over there to know that you are truly in the dark about many things.
And if some of your outward language on your blog is any indication of your heart, then I will certainly not heed any opinions and advice you have to offer.
Oh and being a "happy, well-adjusted person" does not make someone a successful parent and certainly has no relevance to this conversation. And trust me ToniCW, there is nothing for me to be jealous about...I love my husband, my children and my life! There is NO ONE on this earth that I am jealous of because God has blessed me beyond measure!!!
And my "prize" is having children that not only *I* enjoy being around, but others do as well! They are not brats who have not learned (through training) how to control themselves and their naturally selfish desires. We are all constant works in progress and I really do not care if any of you are "laughing behind my back"...
Marsha
Just wanted to add that you shouldn't flatter yourself so much to think that they'd shut down the whole HSB system for maintenance just for you!
Toni, thank you for your post, you're my kind of human being. You remind me of some of the people I used to hang out with; they were real people, flawed, and decent. I appreciate your presence and post and your spirit.
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Dear Marsha, thanks for your input.
It's probably fair to point out that you weren't being called an 'ass-hat' but rather the hat that sits atop the ass (?). I've never seen this term before. Catchy - though in my time of need I might have chosen a more colorful expletive. But since I have company today I'll try to keep it as white as possible. You're right, perhaps I flatter myself a bit too much sometimes - though to what degree you can't discern.
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Dear Buckeyeblog
Please don't succumb to that disingenuous sense of pity and sadness you feel indebted by just for me; there really is no cross to bear for your cultivated inventions of the heart. This is not to say that I believe your personal existence in Christ is not real to you, or that you do not genuinely feel your emotion; I realize that to you - your own walk with Christ is very real; to you - how you process is very real; to you. Even Norma Desmond would have likely applauded and agreed with your delivery to me. However, your walk with Christ is not mine. I'm not particularily moved to defend points regarding my childhood, nor do I feel that you're qualified to interpret what I actually did say regarding children, as evidenced by your assumptions. My own points had already been made in an obvious manner so that even a child could have extrapolated my actual point and intentions.
Yes, please do pray for me; Jesus can sift through the jive and do what would have been necessary anyway without your help. It can't be known for certain that I haven't (accepted Jesus as my savior) any more then it can be known for certain that your representation of the bible, the Lord and your points isn't indicative of a brainwashed cult following of nutty hyena-like fundamentalists. I will continue to disagree with your interpretation of the scripture and no amount of prayer is going to change this.
That all said and gotten out of the way - this is not about me and - I would be remiss to make it about me, my past, or my future by continuing on your path. This is not about me, nor was it about me when I stood up and took a stand. Defending myself any further would be a selfish act. My original point has no need to defend itself against assumptions, nor has it anything to do with my soul, salvation or any other point those assumptions might like to sculpt.
Oh Marsha, Marsha, Marsha... you so obviously missed the point and did exactly as I said you all would.
Please, I don't think you are jealous--you all live in your own little bubbles that when popped, breaks your whole world down. But rest assured, no one is trying to pop anyone's bubble--we simply are thinking you guys are nutcases for believing that child abuse somehow equates to "training". Yeah, training them to be drones who have no feeling whatsoever.
If you advocate using a plumbing device for your "Training" you are a child abuser. End of story. I hope you can live with yourself once you figure that out.
~~ToniCW
Lies Lies Lies, Lies
they're gonna get ya.
Seriously. This is actually very shameful and on so many levels that I'm at a loss on where to begin.
Some people's message board posting signatures should come with a hyperlink to the nearest lie detector.
Dear Gena,
As even you must surely know, you are exaggerating; that or you're deluded or temporarily incompetent - honestly it's hardly for me to judge though it is very tempting. As you must surely know, you are certainly telling a lie, in front of God no less. Rather than venture into the accusations, as you have, I'll state some simple irrefutable facts:
Some web sites, depending on their hosting plans, provide raw data logs. These logs are easily accessible via the control panel of your login page. They come in raw data form and usually provide what appears to be a minimum amount of information. However, when these logs are processed through simple software a you can see the same amount of information that you are able to see via such services as statcounter.com, sitemeter.com, etc. In some cases, depending on the information your server is able to collect and the data your software is able to process, you can see the amount of type spent on each page. You can even see which links were accessed, depending on the sophistication of your data/software package. Yahoo is one such provider who includes raw data logs as a part of each hosting plan, though not all hosts provide this information included for free, NS1.HSBSERVER.COM does, as you have made clear.
You are obviously claiming that the raw data logs are reflecting your claim that: I am stalking you.
Well, Gena, that is fine, accuse on; you do so in front of God.
I bring this all up not to defend myself nor to even suggest that your lying and exaggerations are more than a minor irritation, but to point out the obvious: I sincerely doubt that your tactics are pleasing to God and to what end you feel this is necessary is anyone's guess. For your sake I hope that you'll find another outlet for your frustrations.
I would also point out that hitting your web site and reading posts is not a form of stalking. Repeated posting of messages that are unwanted, abusive or not, might perhaps linger on the border of stalking behavior - though this I wouldn't know, Gena, since I have posted in fact only a handful of times on your blog.
Carry on if it the means justify the end. You're not offending me, Gena. You're not upsetting me past minor irritation. You are, however, making a strong case against your own credibility.
Enough of this vomit now, Gena.
No, they aren't incompentant, just deluded to think we actually care about what they say. When someone doesn't agree with their theology--that person is "sad" and "lonely" and "what a pity they must be to not have Christ".
Listen, Ladies, I HAVE Christ. I love him with all my heart and soul and you guys are ticking ME off. You are the ones giving this faith a bad name.
Not people like Underxposed, nor me even. You just don't like that we are telling you the truth.
Quit doing things "in the name of Jesus" that even Jesus himself would have nothing to do with. He certainly (and there is nowhere in the bible that mandates spanking--"spare the rod" isn't even in the bible nor was it said by anyone in the bible)would NOT condone using freaking plumbing pipe to beat your kid with.
Keep spouting your rhetoric. You all are losing credibility fast.
~~ToniCW
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Hi,
We over in the UK are having trouble with this lot, this is what they said. In the 90's TOSH, Pearls etc came over here (and they are trying again) they came over to talk with some home educating groups. They where agast when we refused to defame people of other faiths, they could not understand we actually liked our Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist & Jewish Friends & even those with no faith. They proceeded to advise us how to fix it so that only Fundamentalist Christians got elected in votes, how to sideline all other groups, how to fraudulently obtain money from things that were normally free, how to vastly increase subscriptions and so make lots of money. Infact how to lie, cheat & fix everything in our favour. needless to say they were not welcome. If any of you are reading this please know UK is not a place that will tolerate your crimes.
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